One question that keeps being asked about IndicThreads.com is that how
come you are running on PHP when you are supposed to be a Java J2EE
portal?
Honestly, we would have loved to be on Java and be able to experiment on the site using Java software and also keep generating in house articles about how we manage IndicThreads using X component and how we upgraded to Y server and so on.
However going with a Java Content Management
System (CMS) wasn’t the best option for us at the time we launched and I am not sure if it still is.? While creating IndicThreads, we tried out and compared several CMSs from the Java as well as the PHP stable. Based on those learnings, below is an attempt to list some of the points that I think make PHP CMSs a better choice than the Java ones:
- Evolved:
The PHP CMSs seemed far more evolved. Mambo, PostNuke, Drupal all have huge communities and have been around for quite some time. They are also running on thousands of sites and so are very well tested. - Ease of Use:
PHP CMSs are remarkably easy to use. In 15 minutes time, even a PHP illiterate person can get a site going . I doubt if that can be done with a Java CMS. - Hosting:
Java hosting is not only costly but it is also a specialized segment. Not many hosting providers understand how Java J2EE web applications are deployed. Apache + PHP is so common that even the small hosting companies are good at it and can fix issues in no time. - Sleek:
Some Java CMSs are 10 times bigger and more complex than the popular PHP ones. If you know HTML, you can more or less figure out how a PHP CMS is working. That also makes tweaking the CMS a fairly simple task. - Community:
The community? around Java is one of its strong points but PHP CMS also have huge community bases and so getting help from fellow users is simple. - Non Issues:
Even if we presume that PHP cannot match Java in terms of scalability, object orientation…. it wouldn’t matter much to most website creators. Having a good, simple, feature rich, easy to host and maintain site, are the things that matter most.
As of today, the PHP CMSs seem to have convincingly beaten the Java ones.
Maybe while the Java world was engaged in talking of high end, super techie stuff, with the words ‘enterprise’, ‘transactions’ and ‘SOA ‘embedded in every sentence, the PHP guys actually went out and created a lot of simple yet very useful software.
>> PHP CMS: http://www.opensourcecms.com/
>> Java CMS: http://java-source.net/open-source/content-managment-systems
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Now Liferay Portal has improved a lot and does a better job as a Java CMS/WCM. The beauty is you can write
the plugins and extension to the portal in other languages like PHP or Ruby.
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Hello,
I’m a java developer, but i am actually using php cms. In my opinion, no language can beat PHP CMS.
Hello to everybody, we have been working for few months on the core for a new JAVA JEE CMS a copy of joomla in functionality, we have been using PHP cms Joomla for a long time , but when it comes to high traffic and scalability php its no good. We decided to port this EASY TO USE of PHP into a GWT CMS with a simple ADMINISTRATION and installation, we already have code available in Source forge and we would like you to help us build this simple CMS, AND WCM , hope you can join and help us , bye Adrian Cadena , http://www.melenti.org
I recommend you using a real Perl CMS portal. WebAPP is open source and written in the original Perl language (CGI) easy to maintain and develop. You can download it here: http://www.web-app.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi
my2cents
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Check out javacms.com
It has the list of all companies that have cms built on Java platform
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Let’s start looking at the picture up close. PHP vs. Java is like asking do you want a hamburger or a hot dog. Both will feed your appetite, some people just proffer one over the other, no matter what you do to convince them that the other is better their opinion is their opinion.
If you read the majority of the postings, you will see ~ the same stance. One is better than the other in different areas. Be it that one is more advertised and marketed to large scale companies, and most companies think that no-cost solutions fail; and that a lot of the IT departments out there are looking for job security, you can’t look a solution in the face and spit! Or can you?
Java has been marketed for just about as long as the Internet has been, in one way or another. PHP on the other hand is still in it’s infancy, but not really!! It’s age vs. it’s maturity is the question. Java and PHP together is a really beautiful thing. PHP has functionality for incorporation of Java!
Let’s look at the other problem, blind statements made by people that just don’t know for themselves – mainly because they are just ignorant of the facts! Just as Java is extensible so is PHP. PHP is beautiful but so is Java, the Yen & the Yang!
The lack of variable constraints is a good thing…. less code and faster processing. If you need to do a variant comparison… do it.
How many people that have used M$ Front Page have you heard state ‘I know how to write HTML!’ That is exactly the same reason you see a lot of poorly implemented PHP applications… it’s cheep, readily available, and you don’t need to study for months to be a novice. PHP is defiantly a mix of both worlds simplicity and power… SIMPLICITY AND POWER!!! Sorry just trying to get my point across.
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My little opinion
) Php works great in this cases.
Java must be huge(A LOT) & complex (not so much) cause a lot of software & hardware industry have to ‘dig money’ from it. But most times this is not the right solution for simple problems (in this case, simple = a norma ecommerce site, complex = bank systems, integrated with crm and other thinks like this
Bye
PHP lacks simple things like namespaces, basic error checking
How do you deal with php when it comes to namespace ?
Do you include your SS or secret code in front of every class to make sure none of the other class you are sharing with your co-workers or open source libraries have the same name as yours?
What happens when by accident you mistype a variable and php just creates it at the spot?
How do you deal with not having variable types? That makes your comparisons hard to spot for errors.
Not to mention, how do you deal with huge volume and the need for true clustering and object synchronization. Try to achieve that with PHP.
PHP is fast but the amount of coding time you save you spent it on debugging it stupid error that the language does not provide for you.
I deal with large PHP projects but every time I switch to JAVA for some other project it makes it hard to switch back to PHP.
Hello all,
I have been looking around recently for a decent content management system and to be honest there is nothing that matches what I consider to be a true CMS.
For me a CMS basically a database for storing content. I want to keep images in there, I want to associate word documents with them that describe the design brief for that document, I want to store contracts (with versioning), PDFs I want it all in there.
Then I want different applications that allow access to this content. An internal application for adding and updating content (providing the user has correct permissions). Plugins to word, photoshop etc that allow me to save directly into the CMS. A web site with dynamic that can take the the content, latest approved articles etc and display them on the public web site.
From what I have seen most system are based on managing web content. Building web page templates and fillinf them with the managed content.
I want something bigger and I’m not sure that this can be provided by a php solution. For me this needs to be done in an Enterprise Enironment, i.e. J2EE.
Having said that I now wait to be shot down
regards
Regarding Ragap Chettri’s comment, JAVA does NOT lose out to PHP in OOP in any aspect, any PHP proficient user would understand the limitations of PHP’s OOP and that JAVA is a true OOP language. Not to mention its a comparison of languages in a different level, JAVA would definitely have more defined features and better efficiency, but that would be at the cost of ease in coding and that the level of understanding in java would be more taxing as a whole.
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PHP is a softy melon but JAVA is hard cored one.
PHP tastes sweet, JAVA tastes awwwwhh..
Fun around PHP won’t let your hair fall rather then JAVA will make you ‘H-A-N-G’
PHP is scalable but JAVA is Back-to-Front confusion programming lang.
PHP is OOPs all about but JAVA is OlO (Object Illusion Output).
So I say take off your net beans out of SUN JAVA and throw in BIN.
First thing I would like to say is use the right tool for the job. I am a Java Developer but I think there is a need for other technologies to fill the gaps. With that being said: Java opensource portals provide a merge of content with portlet functionallity. If you do not want the portal then you can use Alfresco, Magnolia, or XWiki, etc…. All of these integrate into JBoss Portal, ExoPlatform, Jetspeed 2, any other JSR 168 Portal… They also are JSR 170 compliant, so if you need to display the content outside of the simple CMS then you may need this type of solution… The thing I think to remember is a non-standard based solution is ok if it meets your needs. But It may come back to bight you in the ass if you need to integrate the content into another system.. Other things to consider would scallability, reliabillity, reusabillity… Questions like does this CMS system provide templating, WebDav integration, support from Microsoft Office, auto tranformation of CMS content into web content….
I think we can all agree that j2ee solutions at least diserve the scalability and sustainability thumbs up! I have used some of the most widely accepted and appreciated php cms and its true that they are a breeze to use and expand.
Being a j2ee developer i must confess my thankfullness to java ineroperability when building a enterpise scale app and solution. Business logic, front end, CMS, db all just add up perfectly and just work coherently.
I really dont want to get into the php extentions and interfaces for trying to make thing work! Thats why i use java CMS.
But in due time Java cms will prevail. Just think how much has been done in so much less time for the j2ee part to be competing now with the most powerfull php cms representatives.
I think what most of the java developers here are trying to point out is that php is great and easy, but while php future holds good things… j2ee cms future hides great steps and vast potentials.
Peter
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I agree with Jerry it is difficult to find Java hosting for reasonable price with good support. Most of hosting companies go for an easy and headacheless solutions with PHP or Python etc. Very few support J2EE/Tomcat with relatively good memory heap size.
If any of you know some hosting company and it had some experience with Liferay deployment, send me a few lines on marcin.puchala@o2.ie
Thnx Marcin
I’ve been on a mission pulling together some sites on comparing Java with PHP.
This being one of the many pages but if anyone had any more they wanted to point out then let me know. Be doing Python vs Ruby at some point and may upgrade to doing a full blown personal comparison.
[URL=http://straw-dogs.co.uk/tao-blog/?p=10]PHP vs Java comparison[/URL]
Personally I prefer PHP. Its friendly.
i search something in java who have a forum, cms, send file function… something similar to: claroline
http://www.claroline.net/
but in java…
I thought I’d throw in my thoughts, I’ve also made the decision to host my community portal ‘mambotastic.com’ on Mambo and some of my other sites (ofcourse, it is directed at Mambo users so it would be kind of stupid to host it on anything else)
By choice I would rather host any content using java, but Mambo is so rounded and easy to modify that it makes it very attractive. PHP is a breeze to write, and as the article says, the communities for PHP/Mambo are huge and if you need a new component or module, its so easy to write.
However, scalability is a real issue, not ofcourse for the majority of sites that will use it but thats because they don’t really get hit hard enough, the ones that do seem to struggle.
However, JBoss is now following the portal modal. They are also following the ‘theme’ (template if you are a Mambo head), and its pretty cool, its not as flexible as Mambo (yet), but its scaleable, so if one of my sites goes skyward, at least I’ve got a chance and don’t look like a complete numpty. And I can develop portlets/themes which I can share with the JBoss community. Its got some mileage in it. Could do with tighter integration with the struts modal, it uses the struts-bridge, makes me think of the ODBC-JDBC bridge, eeeeugh, but that’ll come no doubt.
Be interested to know if anyone else has used JBoss portal/portlets ?
How about .Net cms such as DotNetNuke? Every comments and suggestions or opinions are welcome. I’m actually looking for a easy to manage (in terms of install, work around, upgrading, modules etc) for my personal website.
I’m using WinXp, IIS and MSSSQL
Musang Berjanggut
I love Liferay. My company looked around for a while and at the time, there were no good open-source Java-based CMS systems that didn’t use EJB’s. It’s too bad that Liferay Professional wasn’t around back then. It will run within Tomcat, uses Hibernate and other stuff instead of EJB’s and it’s open source.
I am in the same situation now though. I’m trying to find a decent CMS system that allows Boy Scout troops to create thier own websites. I am a Java Developer by day, so I have the skills to extend and develop for it, but Java hosting is very hard to come by, especially cheap (or free) hosting. I’ve used a number of PHP-based CMS systems, and I have to say that I agree with this article. I wish it were the other way ’round and that Java had more to offer in open-source CMS systems, but it’s sadly not so.
So I’m left to choose to go with a well-developed, out of the box open source PHP solution, or use a (possibly inferior) Java solution.
I’m honestly torn between the two options.
Jerry