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IT Survivors - Staying Alive In A Software Job |
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Written by Harshad Oak
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Nov 03, 2005 at 12:21 PM |
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Comment by Noname on 2005-11-11 05:05:26
Keep on dreaming!
I hate this line "We as Indians are hardworking"
Working hard is stupid, especially if you aren't the one deciding when you have to work hard.
When any successful person says that they work hard, note that they worked hard on things they were excited about and not because their boss or a stupid system forced them to work hard.
Hardwork is not a virtue. We are not born to toil all our lives like slaves.
I dread that in the year 2100 a child in India will ask him mother "Mommy was great grandpa a slave?" |
Comment by Noname on 2005-11-09 04:29:42
What Harshad has said I agree to it completely.
But what u (two sides of a coin...) have said I disagree.If they are paying gr8 package so called then it's individual's own talent and qualification.and company itself getting more money for their project bcos of outsourcing but considering indian currency it's still less for UK n USA firms so that doesn't make difference and also everything is so costly today.When I bought bike 3 yrs ago petrol was just 28/lit but now it's almost double 52/lit. So y r u just thinking abt our package it's still less considering today's situations.So company not doing any favour to us.It's our talent n qualification that brigs us to this level.And abt late night working I'll say it's really very rude to us.I'm fresher in this Industry having only 1 yr exp.But i'm facing it right from starting.Today also I'm working on Java n maitaing website of our client. Whenever there is release on live I have to stay here till midnight or sometimes stay in office n even work for next day as wel though I get comp-off for this but that doesn't worth bcos relaxation is something that is really necessary for u n u can get it at ur home.
While employees that r staying late or working late I'll say most of the youngsters in Mumbai are frm outside n don't have their parents here so they stay late night whther there is work or not.It's attitude of employee as well that cos others to work late n for long week some of employee used to work late just for sake of promotion n comlements or appraisals which is problem to others as well.I'm working at client side n we've to stay here for late night whenever client demand.Even This Diwali as well for support purpose out team arranged ourselves on Holiday to provide support.Can't even celebrate Diwali with full of zest. After all family comes first so plz clients n company bosses plz let us to spend some time with our family as well. |
Comment by Noname on 2005-11-09 04:45:42
Well said man. Can I co-relate this with an example that most of the person come across. Ragging. You can not rag your seniors. You need to wait whole year for a new batch and take revenge. 99% managers are like that. They are troubled by their seniors to sit back for long hours. Are we ready to fall into 1% ? There are people in service-companies like TCS, Infy, Wipro etc who sit long hours doing nothing and set a bad example. Often we find them saying that they are late-night workers. So, are you inefficient. Mind you, you will force your team-member to fill timesheet for 8 hrs only. |
Comment by Noname on 2005-11-09 23:45:21
What u r saying I think its wrong bcos if they need more manpower for IT then y don't they recruit more so that we can arrange ourselves in shifts instead of working for 14-16 hrs.
We will maitain co-ordination with our partner.One more thing I'd like to say that in the whole game of working late night only female gets advantages to leave early as they have children or just bcos she is poor, innocent lady n bla bla bla.Only men has to do more work n both of them get same package. So that is also injustice to us.Nobody shuld follow others blindly or otherwise u will fall in trouble.Instead be innovative n speak ur mind.Thats it..... |
Comment by Noname on 2005-11-10 00:15:38
I liked the article.. it talks about something that affects majority of us and does not mince words about it.
Yes, we Indian IT companies do treat ourselves like slaves, and that's because of the rat race we have trapped ourselves into. We are competing with each other, increasing billable work hours, reducing hourly rate, incrasing communication (read conference calls). We do not have the vision necessary to understand that it is not taking us anywhere but to misery.
The solution is changing the dimensions of the competition. Innovation is the key. When employees come up with ideas to improvize on the work, we need to listen to them and see if there is any merit. We need to commit time and energy to this cause. That's what Kaizen and CMM's level 5 are all about, but do we really implement them seriously?
I have seen that as long as you are reasonable and delivering quality, most clients understand it and are not penny-suckers. They understand that if they pay you poorly, then it could affect your survival (or employee retention) and naturally affect the service levels and quality of your delivery. But then we need to be convinced of the value we deliver in the first place, and not be one among others in the rat race.
Same is true with the other side: the employee satisfaction. Just having a smooth talking HR team or stress management workshops are not the solutions. If you are honest and reasonable, respect employee's work life balance, then they are with you. I have seen the success of this strategy and observed a very low to nil employee turnover, in the face of higher salaried jobs available elsewhere.
-Ashish |
Comment by Noname on 2005-11-10 03:10:12
Yes, I cleared agree with Mr. Harshad.
Software Professional are being exploited in India.
The same is true also in Indian Govt. Organizations likes IITs, BSNL, MTNL etc.
Employees (specially temporary employees) are exploited not in terms of salary, but also in terms of other facilities like Medical Facilities, Type of appointments, Loans etc..... and many more things.
dharmen |
Comment by Noname on 2005-11-10 04:31:19
Hi..
This is a indeed nice article and it explains clearly what is the reality behind the glamour of IT. I wish such a realization could dawn on the authority and some good decisions are taken.
I also work in a reputed IT company and for last 9 years I have seen this. It is everywhere. IN fact I can assure you, that if a deadline is missed and though a valid explaination exists, it is considered a crime, a punishable crime. And if at all missing is allowed, then that approval has to go through "prove-it-to-me" kind of convincing sessions.
However I feel that such realizations are only limited to such blogs and sadly no corrective action exists.
I have actually decided, no one from my family would use a PC more than necessary !
Thanks,
Please post your opinions people
Mandar |
Comment by Noname on 2005-11-10 04:35:46
Here are my views on the entire article,
1. Indian IT professional has been pampered with high salary so plans to spend more time in the office as if he/she is reporting to his master. I totally agree that indian managers who deal with clients cannot convince the clients to relax schedule. Outsourcing doesnot mean fast development. It is development at lesser cost with quality and i donot know how quality works here when person is working 15-18 hrs.
2. There is also routine to exploit freshers by giving them gym, food, snacks. I would think why not bed and then expect them to work for 18hrs.
3. Innovation is possible in India, if indian corporate too supports such creative solutions. It works in US as corporates too are eager to become guinea pigs. I have my own company in to mobile computing and provide domestic solutions and what i have seen is that corporate are not keen to support innovative solutions.
4. Lastly CMM etc is all crap. Most of the top cos have it and still employee works 15-18 hrs. I think IT professional spends 8-10 hrs atleast per week on this quality initiatives and ends up putting pressure on himself due to project deadlines.
5. Also Top CEOs of the cos are making IPO at whose cost .. |
Comment by Noname on 2005-11-10 04:58:05
Mr Harshad,
You have written an excellent article.hats of to u for writing it. I would say we employees are responsible in a long way with the management for sitting long hours.We think wat people will think if we leave on time.A person leavng at 6 is told that he is going early....This kind of culture is killing the management. They encourage people to sit. Since guys say wat is the work after going home, the same saas bahu serials to watch, so might as well sit and do some R&D at work...
Rashmi |
Comment by Noname on 2005-11-10 05:53:00
You have written the truth, undiluted. |
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